Diagrammatic Chess (Western, Chinese, Japanese) Options around the world?
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Diagrammatic Pieces define the pieces moves on the item itself. This removes the need to memorize the moveset to the symbol needed in many forms of chess
Western Chess - Maple Landmark
Wooden Pieces with the moves written on the bottom (so you have to lift them up to see)
:::spoiler Maple Landmark Image
:::Japanese Chess - Dobutsu Shogi (in the greenwood)
Cute animals with the moves indicated by dots around the edge of the piece, probably the best diagrammatic set I've seen
:::spoiler Dobutsu shogi image
:::Japanese Chess - Kumon Study Shogi set
Very similiar to dobutsu shogi, but with the original character written in the middle instead of a cute animal. The wood feels good in the hand
:::spoiler Study Shogi image
:::Eastern chess sets will often have "westernized" pieces, that are different non-language characters symbols, but still require people to memorize a symbol lookup table.
I'd love to find diagrammatic options for Chinese Chess (XongQi), but I haven't seen any - do you know of options?
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Diagrammatic Pieces define the pieces moves on the item itself. This removes the need to memorize the moveset to the symbol needed in many forms of chess
Western Chess - Maple Landmark
Wooden Pieces with the moves written on the bottom (so you have to lift them up to see)
:::spoiler Maple Landmark Image
:::Japanese Chess - Dobutsu Shogi (in the greenwood)
Cute animals with the moves indicated by dots around the edge of the piece, probably the best diagrammatic set I've seen
:::spoiler Dobutsu shogi image
:::Japanese Chess - Kumon Study Shogi set
Very similiar to dobutsu shogi, but with the original character written in the middle instead of a cute animal. The wood feels good in the hand
:::spoiler Study Shogi image
:::Eastern chess sets will often have "westernized" pieces, that are different non-language characters symbols, but still require people to memorize a symbol lookup table.
I'd love to find diagrammatic options for Chinese Chess (XongQi), but I haven't seen any - do you know of options?
Sadly the Dobutsu Shogi (in the greenwood) is out of print right now.
:::spoiler out of print store link for evidence
http://shop.nekomado.com/products/detail.php?product_id=144
:::I'd love to see a better western chess option
And I'd love to have any chinese chess option at all!
Obviously I can learn the symbols for a single game myself, but if I want to play with other people or teach them how to play that is quite a learning curve!
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Sadly the Dobutsu Shogi (in the greenwood) is out of print right now.
:::spoiler out of print store link for evidence
http://shop.nekomado.com/products/detail.php?product_id=144
:::I'd love to see a better western chess option
And I'd love to have any chinese chess option at all!
Obviously I can learn the symbols for a single game myself, but if I want to play with other people or teach them how to play that is quite a learning curve!
Happily lishogi.org lets you select the diagrammatic pieces which makes playing online really nice.
:::spoiler lishogi dobutsu piece set
:::Sadly lichess.org does not have the same diagrammatic options!
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Diagrammatic Pieces define the pieces moves on the item itself. This removes the need to memorize the moveset to the symbol needed in many forms of chess
Western Chess - Maple Landmark
Wooden Pieces with the moves written on the bottom (so you have to lift them up to see)
:::spoiler Maple Landmark Image
:::Japanese Chess - Dobutsu Shogi (in the greenwood)
Cute animals with the moves indicated by dots around the edge of the piece, probably the best diagrammatic set I've seen
:::spoiler Dobutsu shogi image
:::Japanese Chess - Kumon Study Shogi set
Very similiar to dobutsu shogi, but with the original character written in the middle instead of a cute animal. The wood feels good in the hand
:::spoiler Study Shogi image
:::Eastern chess sets will often have "westernized" pieces, that are different non-language characters symbols, but still require people to memorize a symbol lookup table.
I'd love to find diagrammatic options for Chinese Chess (XongQi), but I haven't seen any - do you know of options?
Why does this seem like an advertisement?
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Why does this seem like an advertisement?
How can I have this conversation without making it sound like a advertisement? I'm not trying to drive sales of anything, which would be kinda impossible given most of this stuff is out of print.
I'm just trying to illustrate diagrammatic chess options I'm aware of, and I want to find more. It's a very niche area. Finding more options is hard.
I would hope by this point you would recognize me (you have voted on 259 of my posts and comments) and realize I'm not some bot.
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How can I have this conversation without making it sound like a advertisement? I'm not trying to drive sales of anything, which would be kinda impossible given most of this stuff is out of print.
I'm just trying to illustrate diagrammatic chess options I'm aware of, and I want to find more. It's a very niche area. Finding more options is hard.
I would hope by this point you would recognize me (you have voted on 259 of my posts and comments) and realize I'm not some bot.
How can I have this conversation without making it sound like a advertisement?
It was not even an understandable question, and you still sound like promoting something.
This were 2 hints at 2 rules of this c/
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How can I have this conversation without making it sound like a advertisement?
It was not even an understandable question, and you still sound like promoting something.
This were 2 hints at 2 rules of this c/
I want to know about self documenting chess pieces, I want to ask people if they know about them and where I can find them. Please help me phrase this in a understandable way.
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How can I have this conversation without making it sound like a advertisement? I'm not trying to drive sales of anything, which would be kinda impossible given most of this stuff is out of print.
I'm just trying to illustrate diagrammatic chess options I'm aware of, and I want to find more. It's a very niche area. Finding more options is hard.
I would hope by this point you would recognize me (you have voted on 259 of my posts and comments) and realize I'm not some bot.
I would hope by this point you would recognize me (you have voted on 259 of my posts and comments) and realize I'm not some bot.
The fact you have stats like that make me think you are absolutely a marketing sock puppet
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I would hope by this point you would recognize me (you have voted on 259 of my posts and comments) and realize I'm not some bot.
The fact you have stats like that make me think you are absolutely a marketing sock puppet
Fair enough, you got me, the cabal of out of print niche chess marketers has been discovered.
FWIW I recognize you, so I looked up the stats of our interactions when I saw your message to illustrate we have a shared history.
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Happily lishogi.org lets you select the diagrammatic pieces which makes playing online really nice.
:::spoiler lishogi dobutsu piece set
:::Sadly lichess.org does not have the same diagrammatic options!
LOL lishogi?! Amazing, had no clue this existed.
Do you know what website (if any) Japanese people (and international shogi players) use to play shogi with others? Is it lishogi?
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LOL lishogi?! Amazing, had no clue this existed.
Do you know what website (if any) Japanese people (and international shogi players) use to play shogi with others? Is it lishogi?
lishogi is kinda new (5ish years I think), i was around when it got forked from lichess.
I use lishogi because you don't need an account and it just works, but I think its pretty niche. It does have a adapted stockfish engine to play against.
Inside japan I think shogiwars is the most popular, but its kinda impenetrable for me, so I just tried it now... they have english in 2026 which is nice! But you can't change the pieces, however its a real experience worth visiting once.
Have you seen Chu Shogi? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chu_shogi - It's a whole thing, intense, its on lishogi but without a ai bot to play against, so human vs human only. It would be nice to play chu shogi against a bot to practice, but I don't know where to do that.
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How can I have this conversation without making it sound like a advertisement? I'm not trying to drive sales of anything, which would be kinda impossible given most of this stuff is out of print.
I'm just trying to illustrate diagrammatic chess options I'm aware of, and I want to find more. It's a very niche area. Finding more options is hard.
I would hope by this point you would recognize me (you have voted on 259 of my posts and comments) and realize I'm not some bot.
Hhahaha you put way too much effort in describing your examples and putting them in a nice presentation, that's why looks like an ad, hahaha.
To look less like an advertisement you can explain better why you find these interesting and spend less time with the examples.
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I would hope by this point you would recognize me (you have voted on 259 of my posts and comments) and realize I'm not some bot.
The fact you have stats like that make me think you are absolutely a marketing sock puppet
Due to the way federation works those stats are public information, and @jet@hackertalks.com appears to be an admin of their instance, so the data is even more easily to hand.
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Diagrammatic Pieces define the pieces moves on the item itself. This removes the need to memorize the moveset to the symbol needed in many forms of chess
Western Chess - Maple Landmark
Wooden Pieces with the moves written on the bottom (so you have to lift them up to see)
:::spoiler Maple Landmark Image
:::Japanese Chess - Dobutsu Shogi (in the greenwood)
Cute animals with the moves indicated by dots around the edge of the piece, probably the best diagrammatic set I've seen
:::spoiler Dobutsu shogi image
:::Japanese Chess - Kumon Study Shogi set
Very similiar to dobutsu shogi, but with the original character written in the middle instead of a cute animal. The wood feels good in the hand
:::spoiler Study Shogi image
:::Eastern chess sets will often have "westernized" pieces, that are different non-language characters symbols, but still require people to memorize a symbol lookup table.
I'd love to find diagrammatic options for Chinese Chess (XongQi), but I haven't seen any - do you know of options?
OMG childhood memories unlocked.
I remember playing this thing called 斗兽棋 that I just googled and literally can't find it for sale in the west.
I remember playing that with my older brother
now the brotherhood relationship no longer exists
(sibling abuse)Its bascially an animal game, like elephant takes tiger then it goes down the list and dog can take a cat, cat can take a mouse, mouse can take an elephant (cuz it goes into the elephants ears and kills it? idk), like a hierarchy thing, with the last place killing the top animal, hard to explain, just read the rules.
There are like art carved into the pieces that resemble the animal of what Chinese characters says.
I think the are versions you could probably find on a Chinese website that has a more cuter depiction of the animals.
This is like a unique thing to China I think, I don't think anyone in the west even knows about it.
I remember having fun with it with my brother... sad that relationships never last long, no matter how close the blood is
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Due to the way federation works those stats are public information, and @jet@hackertalks.com appears to be an admin of their instance, so the data is even more easily to hand.
Plus on lemvotes they display the owning instance of a post/comment, and hackertalks.com is basically only me, so it's trivial to see how many times someone interacts with me.
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OMG childhood memories unlocked.
I remember playing this thing called 斗兽棋 that I just googled and literally can't find it for sale in the west.
I remember playing that with my older brother
now the brotherhood relationship no longer exists
(sibling abuse)Its bascially an animal game, like elephant takes tiger then it goes down the list and dog can take a cat, cat can take a mouse, mouse can take an elephant (cuz it goes into the elephants ears and kills it? idk), like a hierarchy thing, with the last place killing the top animal, hard to explain, just read the rules.
There are like art carved into the pieces that resemble the animal of what Chinese characters says.
I think the are versions you could probably find on a Chinese website that has a more cuter depiction of the animals.
This is like a unique thing to China I think, I don't think anyone in the west even knows about it.
I remember having fun with it with my brother... sad that relationships never last long, no matter how close the blood is
That looks really cool! I can't find it anywhere either
The rule set is interesting, if I ever see it i'll pick it up for sure!
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Hhahaha you put way too much effort in describing your examples and putting them in a nice presentation, that's why looks like an ad, hahaha.
To look less like an advertisement you can explain better why you find these interesting and spend less time with the examples.
Yeah, my personal style of trying to be clear and complete has been co-opted by the modern bogeyman
Much like Michael Bolton... i was here first! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADgS_vMGgzY
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Diagrammatic Pieces define the pieces moves on the item itself. This removes the need to memorize the moveset to the symbol needed in many forms of chess
Western Chess - Maple Landmark
Wooden Pieces with the moves written on the bottom (so you have to lift them up to see)
:::spoiler Maple Landmark Image
:::Japanese Chess - Dobutsu Shogi (in the greenwood)
Cute animals with the moves indicated by dots around the edge of the piece, probably the best diagrammatic set I've seen
:::spoiler Dobutsu shogi image
:::Japanese Chess - Kumon Study Shogi set
Very similiar to dobutsu shogi, but with the original character written in the middle instead of a cute animal. The wood feels good in the hand
:::spoiler Study Shogi image
:::Eastern chess sets will often have "westernized" pieces, that are different non-language characters symbols, but still require people to memorize a symbol lookup table.
I'd love to find diagrammatic options for Chinese Chess (XongQi), but I haven't seen any - do you know of options?
Anyone who believes that children need that sort of mnemonics is vastly underestimating the mental capabilities of children. Ever played Memory against an 7-year-old?
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Anyone who believes that children need that sort of mnemonics is vastly underestimating the mental capabilities of children. Ever played Memory against an 7-year-old?
Oh, I don't need this to help children! I need this so I don't forget the moves myself, and to get other adults to enjoy a game or two.
Having a 30 something learn 15 something symbols to play a game or two to see what it is like is a big ask.
There are many different types of chess out there, and as a game tourist I want to make things easy on myself. Chu Shogi has 21 different symbols for example, it's going to take a minute to memorize that, and good luck convincing someone else to memorize it to play a few games.
example:
:::spoiler chu-shogi without diagrammatic pieces vs with
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Diagrammatic Pieces define the pieces moves on the item itself. This removes the need to memorize the moveset to the symbol needed in many forms of chess
Western Chess - Maple Landmark
Wooden Pieces with the moves written on the bottom (so you have to lift them up to see)
:::spoiler Maple Landmark Image
:::Japanese Chess - Dobutsu Shogi (in the greenwood)
Cute animals with the moves indicated by dots around the edge of the piece, probably the best diagrammatic set I've seen
:::spoiler Dobutsu shogi image
:::Japanese Chess - Kumon Study Shogi set
Very similiar to dobutsu shogi, but with the original character written in the middle instead of a cute animal. The wood feels good in the hand
:::spoiler Study Shogi image
:::Eastern chess sets will often have "westernized" pieces, that are different non-language characters symbols, but still require people to memorize a symbol lookup table.
I'd love to find diagrammatic options for Chinese Chess (XongQi), but I haven't seen any - do you know of options?
I've acquired 4 sets of diagrammatic chess sets as of today! Western, japanese (x3)... i just need to find a sticker set for XongQi and I'll be all set.
