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The new party The Left by Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana, despite not even having an official name yet, is currently polling at 15%, and hence even with Labour

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  • walrus@toot.walesW walrus@toot.wales

    @ErikUden

    I knew this thread couldn't go on for very long before you started attacking other left groups, a thing you criticise when others do it. Unfollowed.

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    @Walrus “before you started attacking other left groups”

    every your party comment section:

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    • erikuden@mastodon.deE erikuden@mastodon.de

      The Greenspamming social media campaign truly is something that needs to be studied: The fact the greens in the United Kingdom existed for 35 years with little to no successful campaign beyond a few elected officials, and now just realized that they can scavenge off members from a bigger, more leftist movement than they have built, is making me question how socialist their principles are, and what solidarity means to them.

      Everywhere where they are seated in parliament they agree to budget cuts, they have no clear anti-imperialist position, they mainly have a leader that now calls himself socialist, which wasn't the case a year ago. They showed solidarity for the Palestinian people when it was socially acceptable to do so. On the other side, people like Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana existed, who fought for that position to become acceptable and lost their public image over it.

      To get most of your members through a defamation campaign against a struggling new socialist party, and to now call for solidarity, “joining forces”, or forming a coalition because everything else would be “splitting the vote” , exposes how shallow and instrumentalizing this campaign by the greens is.

      No singular member or representative of Your Party is better off joining the greens, they will be used as a marketing gimmick but never allowed into any positions. Zack Polanski is with his positions much more at odds with the UK Green Party and would be much better off at Your Party 🚩

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      @ErikUden Same thing happened in Germany. I still remember some people here on Mastodon telling people to not vote die Linke, because there was supposedly no chance they could make it into parliament.

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      • fnordinger@mastodon.socialF fnordinger@mastodon.social

        @ErikUden Same thing happened in Germany. I still remember some people here on Mastodon telling people to not vote die Linke, because there was supposedly no chance they could make it into parliament.

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        @Fnordinger in the UK it's sadly more complex as they don't have a second vote like we do. Similar to the “winner takes all” system. The allegation that Your Party is “splitting the vote” is hence true, it just comes off as a bit distasteful after it was the Greens helping to split “Your Party”. They're correct that there's some sort of logic to this statement from a parliamentary standpoint, it's just that they've kind of created the situation in the first place, and it's mean to now ask you to fix it.

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        • erikuden@mastodon.deE erikuden@mastodon.de

          The Greenspamming social media campaign truly is something that needs to be studied: The fact the greens in the United Kingdom existed for 35 years with little to no successful campaign beyond a few elected officials, and now just realized that they can scavenge off members from a bigger, more leftist movement than they have built, is making me question how socialist their principles are, and what solidarity means to them.

          Everywhere where they are seated in parliament they agree to budget cuts, they have no clear anti-imperialist position, they mainly have a leader that now calls himself socialist, which wasn't the case a year ago. They showed solidarity for the Palestinian people when it was socially acceptable to do so. On the other side, people like Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana existed, who fought for that position to become acceptable and lost their public image over it.

          To get most of your members through a defamation campaign against a struggling new socialist party, and to now call for solidarity, “joining forces”, or forming a coalition because everything else would be “splitting the vote” , exposes how shallow and instrumentalizing this campaign by the greens is.

          No singular member or representative of Your Party is better off joining the greens, they will be used as a marketing gimmick but never allowed into any positions. Zack Polanski is with his positions much more at odds with the UK Green Party and would be much better off at Your Party 🚩

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          I'm going to the Your Party Founding Conference from the 29th to the 30th of November in 2025 with @maia and other delegates. With over 50,000 members, Your Party is the largest parliamentary organization in the United Kingdom that truly represents the working class, as it isn't just planning on managing a broken system or fighting against symptoms, but dares to point out and criticize the root of our problems: the capitalist world and its electoral system.

          I am infinitely thankful for Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana, as well as all other local community organizers and members, for starting something that will go down in the UK's history and shake the foundation of our money-driven system. We say: PEOPLE OVER PROFIT!

          As a member of the German left (Die Linke), I know how rough it can be existing as a democratic socialist within a world subject to the contradictions of capital. However, we must never steer away from our goal, and on our path there, never forget one thing: we organize hope. That's what socialists do. It's the one resource more scarce than crude oil or good prime ministers. Hope. A finite belief that a better world is possible. I believe there can be no crime greater in the age of neoliberalism than for the ruling class to have robbed us of hope. Nobody has opinions anymore, they state their analysis of the world as fact and their political actions as the only possible consequence. They pretend our solutions are utopian and by doing so smother any social justice movement before it could even start. When in reality another world is possible, otherwise their propaganda would be unnecessary. The war over hegemony, authority, and your future has been outsourced into the one space capitalism has yet to occupy: your mind.

          Having hope, despite everything, must be the most revolutionary act there is.

          Trotz(t) alledem! 🕊️🚩

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          • erikuden@mastodon.deE erikuden@mastodon.de

            I'm going to the Your Party Founding Conference from the 29th to the 30th of November in 2025 with @maia and other delegates. With over 50,000 members, Your Party is the largest parliamentary organization in the United Kingdom that truly represents the working class, as it isn't just planning on managing a broken system or fighting against symptoms, but dares to point out and criticize the root of our problems: the capitalist world and its electoral system.

            I am infinitely thankful for Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana, as well as all other local community organizers and members, for starting something that will go down in the UK's history and shake the foundation of our money-driven system. We say: PEOPLE OVER PROFIT!

            As a member of the German left (Die Linke), I know how rough it can be existing as a democratic socialist within a world subject to the contradictions of capital. However, we must never steer away from our goal, and on our path there, never forget one thing: we organize hope. That's what socialists do. It's the one resource more scarce than crude oil or good prime ministers. Hope. A finite belief that a better world is possible. I believe there can be no crime greater in the age of neoliberalism than for the ruling class to have robbed us of hope. Nobody has opinions anymore, they state their analysis of the world as fact and their political actions as the only possible consequence. They pretend our solutions are utopian and by doing so smother any social justice movement before it could even start. When in reality another world is possible, otherwise their propaganda would be unnecessary. The war over hegemony, authority, and your future has been outsourced into the one space capitalism has yet to occupy: your mind.

            Having hope, despite everything, must be the most revolutionary act there is.

            Trotz(t) alledem! 🕊️🚩

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            #31

            On the airplane now, see you in Liverpool! 🛩️

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            • erikuden@mastodon.deE erikuden@mastodon.de

              On the airplane now, see you in Liverpool! 🛩️

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              Reading through the first draft of the Your Party constitution as well as other founding documents with other delegates @maia. We are discussing what motions to vote for!

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              • erikuden@mastodon.deE erikuden@mastodon.de

                Reading through the first draft of the Your Party constitution as well as other founding documents with other delegates @maia. We are discussing what motions to vote for!

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                @ErikUden a motion to ban the use of Impact font for any formal or informal purpose, and for other purposes. Addendum: Comic Sans and all derivatives also banned.

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                • piecritic@hachyderm.ioP piecritic@hachyderm.io

                  @ErikUden a motion to ban the use of Impact font for any formal or informal purpose, and for other purposes. Addendum: Comic Sans and all derivatives also banned.

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                  @ErikUden If they really want to go full Impact, Bebas Neue is at least nice to look at.

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                  • piecritic@hachyderm.ioP piecritic@hachyderm.io

                    @ErikUden If they really want to go full Impact, Bebas Neue is at least nice to look at.

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                    @piecritic I will bring this up

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                    • erikuden@mastodon.deE erikuden@mastodon.de

                      @piecritic I will bring this up

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                      @piecritic but actually, I believe the font is named “Anton”

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                      • erikuden@mastodon.deE erikuden@mastodon.de

                        Reading through the first draft of the Your Party constitution as well as other founding documents with other delegates @maia. We are discussing what motions to vote for!

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                        After reading the documents, I'm even more convinced of Your Party. Finally, I have collected them all.

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                        • erikuden@mastodon.deE erikuden@mastodon.de

                          After reading the documents, I'm even more convinced of Your Party. Finally, I have collected them all.

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                          Your Party won't establish itself in Northern Ireland, as a point of principle, because it supports Irish reunification.

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                          • erikuden@mastodon.deE erikuden@mastodon.de

                            Your Party won't establish itself in Northern Ireland, as a point of principle, because it supports Irish reunification.

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                            Oh yeah, we're ready #YourParty

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                              Oh yeah, we're ready #YourParty

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                              At the Eve of Conference Rally with Zarah Sultana. There's tons of info material, I'm handed a paper, a political statement, or motion every five minutes by some different interest group. People have been preparing for this well and I'm full of hope!

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                                At the Eve of Conference Rally with Zarah Sultana. There's tons of info material, I'm handed a paper, a political statement, or motion every five minutes by some different interest group. People have been preparing for this well and I'm full of hope!

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                                The energy in the room is incredible #YourParty

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                                  The energy in the room is incredible #YourParty

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                                  You can watch the Eve of Conference Rally live here:

                                  https://www.youtube.com/live/GafgqNbZTgE 🚩

                                  What a hopeful start for #YourParty

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                                  • erikuden@mastodon.deE erikuden@mastodon.de

                                    You can watch the Eve of Conference Rally live here:

                                    https://www.youtube.com/live/GafgqNbZTgE 🚩

                                    What a hopeful start for #YourParty

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                                    The first speaker of the rally was a representative of the Bakers, Food and Allied Workers Union. He spoke of unity and called for Zarah Sultana and Jeremy Corbyn to work together. #YourParty

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                                      The first speaker of the rally was a representative of the Bakers, Food and Allied Workers Union. He spoke of unity and called for Zarah Sultana and Jeremy Corbyn to work together. #YourParty

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                                      The second speaker, Audrey White, is a local to Liverpool. She's a representative of the Merseyside Pensioners Association, a radical activist group using civil disobedience to protest against genocide, war, and militarization. She spoke of the importance of supporting Palestine Action, opposing genocide, and especially organizing outside of the parliament in movements.

                                      “I'm thankful to whoever invited me, because I'm a terrorist.”

                                      “Labour has always betrayed the working class.”

                                      “We win more from activism, than we'll ever win from parliament.”

                                      She's from the platform for a Democratic Party which is an internal group trying to push Your Party into their direction, of which there are many already. #YourParty

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                                        The second speaker, Audrey White, is a local to Liverpool. She's a representative of the Merseyside Pensioners Association, a radical activist group using civil disobedience to protest against genocide, war, and militarization. She spoke of the importance of supporting Palestine Action, opposing genocide, and especially organizing outside of the parliament in movements.

                                        “I'm thankful to whoever invited me, because I'm a terrorist.”

                                        “Labour has always betrayed the working class.”

                                        “We win more from activism, than we'll ever win from parliament.”

                                        She's from the platform for a Democratic Party which is an internal group trying to push Your Party into their direction, of which there are many already. #YourParty

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                                        The current (4th) speaker from the Democratic Socialists is criticizing the fact that some motions have been dismissed before the Founding Conference. He's speaking in favor of a collective leadership. #YourParty

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                                        • erikuden@mastodon.deE erikuden@mastodon.de

                                          The current (4th) speaker from the Democratic Socialists is criticizing the fact that some motions have been dismissed before the Founding Conference. He's speaking in favor of a collective leadership. #YourParty

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                                          The fifth speaker is a subway driver from London and a union thereof. She's speaking of the migrant and refugee experience in the United Kingdom.

                                          “Men, I see your pain too. Your dignity isn't stolen by women or LGBTQ+ people.”

                                          “The commonwealth isn't commonwealth. It's common-theft.”

                                          She's calling for solidarity with Jamaica and Cuba.

                                          “If the government can fund war, it can fund welfare.”

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