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Do you think pH should be added to food item labels?

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    mtk@lemmy.world
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    Considering that pH plays a major role in teeth health and acid-reflux, two things that a significant portion of the population suffers from and can dramatically reduce quality of life, shouldn't the pH of a food item be just as important as nutritional values?

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      Considering that pH plays a major role in teeth health and acid-reflux, two things that a significant portion of the population suffers from and can dramatically reduce quality of life, shouldn't the pH of a food item be just as important as nutritional values?

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      phil_in_here@lemmy.ca
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      I think it could be dangerous given the limited scientific literacy of the general public.

      I can imagine a slew of issues where people treat it like fat/calories and assume lower is "better", or where other people think it's like a vitamin and high is "better".

      I think 95% of people wouldn't look, but that last 5% would be a mix of people that use it to their benefit as you suggest and people that misuse it as I cynically assume.

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        I think it could be dangerous given the limited scientific literacy of the general public.

        I can imagine a slew of issues where people treat it like fat/calories and assume lower is "better", or where other people think it's like a vitamin and high is "better".

        I think 95% of people wouldn't look, but that last 5% would be a mix of people that use it to their benefit as you suggest and people that misuse it as I cynically assume.

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        mtk@lemmy.world
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        But that kind of logic applies to all public information. And you are not wrong that it will be misused but that is happening to almost any thing really. Like the Carnivore diet which is being held as some secret to health, or alkline water, or "natural" bs, or raw milk, or "keto" and so on.

        Informing the public is not always successful, but it is almost always a net positive. This is the same philosophy as OSS

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          But that kind of logic applies to all public information. And you are not wrong that it will be misused but that is happening to almost any thing really. Like the Carnivore diet which is being held as some secret to health, or alkline water, or "natural" bs, or raw milk, or "keto" and so on.

          Informing the public is not always successful, but it is almost always a net positive. This is the same philosophy as OSS

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          jet@hackertalks.com
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          Like the Carnivore diet which is being held as some secret to health, or alkline water, or “natural” bs, or raw milk, or “keto” and so on.

          As both a Carnivore and Keto person, it's not that meat is magical, its that sugar is toxic.

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            Like the Carnivore diet which is being held as some secret to health, or alkline water, or “natural” bs, or raw milk, or “keto” and so on.

            As both a Carnivore and Keto person, it's not that meat is magical, its that sugar is toxic.

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            remotelove@lemmy.ca
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            sugar is toxic

            Sugar is what now? That's a bold claim without specificity.

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              sugar is toxic

              Sugar is what now? That's a bold claim without specificity.

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              jet@hackertalks.com
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              elevated blood glucose will glycate the body. This is how the hba1c measurement works, it looks at the glycation of a sample and estimates the overall glucose rate based on that glycation.

              Some people can eat a bunch of sugar and keep their blood sugar low, but most people can't over a long period of time, thats why prediabetes and diabetes are such huge issues.

              Elevated blood sugar by itself can have tremendous emergent problems for type 2 diabetics.

              The whole point of keto/carnivore diets is to take the sugar out, reduce the sugar, reduce the insulin, things get better.

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                elevated blood glucose will glycate the body. This is how the hba1c measurement works, it looks at the glycation of a sample and estimates the overall glucose rate based on that glycation.

                Some people can eat a bunch of sugar and keep their blood sugar low, but most people can't over a long period of time, thats why prediabetes and diabetes are such huge issues.

                Elevated blood sugar by itself can have tremendous emergent problems for type 2 diabetics.

                The whole point of keto/carnivore diets is to take the sugar out, reduce the sugar, reduce the insulin, things get better.

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                remotelove@lemmy.ca
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                Now describe the risks of low blood sugar or high protein diets. Any way you push the needle, there are big words to describe the bad things that can happen.

                Eating less processed foods and moving around more seems like better advice than trying to swing eating habits to 11.

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                  Now describe the risks of low blood sugar or high protein diets. Any way you push the needle, there are big words to describe the bad things that can happen.

                  Eating less processed foods and moving around more seems like better advice than trying to swing eating habits to 11.

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                  jet@hackertalks.com
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                  low blood sugar - hypoglycemia is of concern for people who are not fat adapted, and it speaks problems with insulin function either from t1d or insulin resistance. The best way to avoid low blood sugar, is to avoid eating sugar, so that the body can have a very flat regulation of blood glucose

                  high protein - I've seen no benefit to eating high protein documented anywhere. In fact carnivore is not a high protein diet, its a high fat diet, with adequate protein. The protein targets for a healthy adult do not change based on their diet, they need the same amount of bioavailable protein on SAD, Mediterranean, vegan, keto, or carnivore. As far as any deleterious effects, you would be missing nutrition from fat, but I'm not aware of any actual downsides either.

                  Yes, A first step for everyone should be to eat less processed foods and exercise - totally agreed.

                  I was initially responding to the person above to said keto/carnivore were crackpot pseudo science bs.

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