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Someone pointing out that — MLS (Messaging Layer Security) would introduce centralization to Bluesky.

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MLS (Messaging Layer Security) being talked about.

Proposed for DMs for Bluesky.

@pfrazee.com mentioned this during his talk.

@rabble mentioning that they have done tests of MLS on Nostr.

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From @boris :

Direct Message (DM) — private, only visible to the participants.

From @pfrazee.com :

Want end to end encryption (E2EE).

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Private data versus Secret data

Private — you are ok with people knowing the information existing, but don't want them to know the value.

Secret — don't even want people to know the data exists.

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Staying in the unrecorded discussion rooms, since the talks are recorded (and I can watch it later).

Now on Private data. (New host. New topic.)

Private Data Group Discussion - HedgeDoc

(notes.commonscomputer.com)

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A person talking about — it is difficult to build a collaborative filtering (AI) because 3rd parties don't have enough data, that Bluesky company has.

Ex: what the person looked at, etc.

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One person saying — builders have mostly left Mastodon (and gone to Bluesky), because when developers try to build on Mastodon, they get yelled at, and maybe even receive death threats.

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Conner Ruhl — Bluesky's still sucks a bit in terms of onboarding, because it lacks some of the AI necessary to do that.

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One person from Flipboard pointing out that, AI is used to look for hate-speech, and look for pornographic images, etc.

An "anti-AI" intent would block that, too.

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One person pointing out that an "anti-AI intent" would prevent people from using anti-spam filters, since it is AI.

( @reiver note: I have said similar a number of times elsewhere.)

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Conner Ruhl mentioning that ATProto user-intents is giving people a false sense of security.

Bad actor won't care about them.

If you want to be private, you need to actually make your data private!

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Conner Ruhl mentioning that regulations is favoring AI companies with lots of money and hurting open-source AI projects that don't have money to deal with regulations.

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Boris Mann ( @boris ) talking about if the community made their ATProto docs CC-NC, then Bluesky company could not contribute.

Oops — unintended consequence.

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I brought up an issue regarding regulation —

How do you create a law that distinguishes the difference between thr learning that humans do versus learning that AIs do.

(I don't think this is a point that should be ignored — as you could end up with a cure that is worse than the disease.)

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Rabble ( @rabble ) talking about how — if you had someone else's PDS user-data on your phone, German regulation would require you to file paperwork every single time you cross a German state line. And, if you don't, the whole social-media is illegal under German GDPR law.

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The same person (Peter Wang) is talking about licensing — i.e., requiring gov't permission.

( @reiver note: again, I think that would be a very bad idea — a cure that would be worse than the disease.)

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Peter Wang wants gov't regulators to enforce ATProto user-intent.

( @reiver note: I think that would be a very bad idea — a cure that would be worse than the disease.)

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3 choices for ATProto user-intents:

• opt-out
• undefined
• opt-in

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Talking about ATProto user-intent first.

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Topics up to discuss:

• user intents
• AI feed
• classification & moderation
• using social-media content for research
• labeling & AI tags

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