Proposal: Treating Anti-Vegan Discourse as Anti-Scientific and Incompatible with Anarchist Principles in Moderation Practice
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Then the policy should be about standards for evidence and how to participate in good faith.
Agreed.
Consensus isn't science
But there can be consensus in science, with the underlying belief that any consensus can and should be challenged according to new evidence.
Social organizations need some source of truth in order to govern their operations. Scientific consensus is the best tool we have for that, so long as the governance also follows the science should the prevailing consensus be scientifically dismantled.
But there can be consensus in science, with the underlying belief that any consensus can and should be challenged according to new evidence.
Very much agreed.
Social organizations need some source of truth in order to govern their operations. Scientific consensus is the best tool we have for that, so long as the governance also follows the science should the prevailing consensus be scientifically dismantled.
The trouble is we are not talking about a organizations guiding philosophy, we are talking about moderating people who don't follow the consensus as 'anti-science'
In my postings here on lemmy focusing on metabolic health I've been called anti-science many times, I hold little faith the nuance you are demonstrating here will apply to a policy over a long enough time horizon.
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communities to consider that those outcomes can be achieved in vegan ways
How do I achieve a zero-carbohydate diet with a vegan eating pattern?
How do I achieve a zero-carbohydate diet with a vegan eating pattern?
I'm not an expert on the latest research surrounding zero-carb diets and if any research has been done with vegan diets in particular.
But if you wanted to make a new post on the community you mod/admin, I would be interested in learning the facts and willing to do my own research to contribute to the conversation.
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How do I achieve a zero-carbohydate diet with a vegan eating pattern?
I'm not an expert on the latest research surrounding zero-carb diets and if any research has been done with vegan diets in particular.
But if you wanted to make a new post on the community you mod/admin, I would be interested in learning the facts and willing to do my own research to contribute to the conversation.
Sure thing! Here you go: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/68390626
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As someone who runs various metabolic, ketogenic, and even a carnivore community - I don't think I have a anti-vegan viewpoint, however - reading this proposal it sounds like it would prohibit discussion of published research if it goes against pre-determined outcomes?
Isn't the legislation of outcomes and allowed topics of discussion anti-scentific by its vary nature? It sounds like it is codifying dogma. Very reminiscent to the Catholic church forbidding any discussion of settled matters and banning heliocentrism
:::spoiler The scientific method itself requires open questioning!
:::If it's forbidden to question, hypothesize, and report conclusions on "settled topics" - that is anti-science.
I would not ban you or your carnivore community. I may be wrong (and honestly don't feel like scrutinizing your history rn), but you don't troll. We will never agree on veganism and your advocation of eating mostly meat, I am a moral/ethical vegan first and the rest of it is a bonus. While there were some seriously questionable things that got c/carnivore banned from .world, the problematic mod is gone afaik and I already have your communities blocked (as a user). We would be able to ban people who intentionally antagonize and troll vegans, and that would be a bonus for anyone tired of the hostility. Do you go into threads essentially antagonizing vegans with vegan bingo, because that is the problem here. If people wanted your community blocked and to be more aligned with our instance being more pro-vegan, that would be a different discussion.
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I would not ban you or your carnivore community. I may be wrong (and honestly don't feel like scrutinizing your history rn), but you don't troll. We will never agree on veganism and your advocation of eating mostly meat, I am a moral/ethical vegan first and the rest of it is a bonus. While there were some seriously questionable things that got c/carnivore banned from .world, the problematic mod is gone afaik and I already have your communities blocked (as a user). We would be able to ban people who intentionally antagonize and troll vegans, and that would be a bonus for anyone tired of the hostility. Do you go into threads essentially antagonizing vegans with vegan bingo, because that is the problem here. If people wanted your community blocked and to be more aligned with our instance being more pro-vegan, that would be a different discussion.
go into threads essentially antagonizing vegans with vegan bingo, because that is the problem here.
That is a problem. my issue is the proposal as written doesn't address that but is very broad in quashing discussion in any place on topics that don't align with a philosophical outcome.
If people wanted your community blocked and to be more aligned with our instance being more pro-vegan, that would be a different discussion.
This is how I see the proposal as written in the post as actually functioning.
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