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TIL 95% of Americans don't get the minimum recommended amount of fiber

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      xep@discuss.online
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      You don't need any fiber in the human diet. It was a marketing thing that everyone bought into for some reason and now it's dogma.

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        You don't need any fiber in the human diet. It was a marketing thing that everyone bought into for some reason and now it's dogma.

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        greenknight23@lemmy.world
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        going to guess you're probably in your late-20s to mid-30s and haven't had to shit for a week without shitting.

        wait til you're in your 40s or 50s. that opinion you have is going to test you.

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          going to guess you're probably in your late-20s to mid-30s and haven't had to shit for a week without shitting.

          wait til you're in your 40s or 50s. that opinion you have is going to test you.

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          xep@discuss.online
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          I imagine since you're talking about bowel movement that you think that constipation is alleviated by the consumption of fiber, but there are no RCTs that prove that that is the case. It is in fact rather the opposite:

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          Idiopathic constipation and its associated symptoms can be effectively reduced by stopping or even lowering the intake of dietary fiber.

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          I personally do not experience constipation.

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            I imagine since you're talking about bowel movement that you think that constipation is alleviated by the consumption of fiber, but there are no RCTs that prove that that is the case. It is in fact rather the opposite:

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            Idiopathic constipation and its associated symptoms can be effectively reduced by stopping or even lowering the intake of dietary fiber.

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            I personally do not experience constipation.

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            greenknight23@lemmy.world
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            Sixty-three cases of idiopathic constipation presenting between May 2008 and May 2010 were enrolled into the study after colonoscopy excluded an organic cause of the constipation.

            first of all, you cited a clinical, not a medical study.

            second it only had 63 cases.

            this trial is bullshit.

            just because you cite from pubmed doesn't mean you know wtf you're talking about.

            thirdly the author is Kok-Sun Ho, a colorectal surgeon from Singapore. you know what Singapore is well known for in the medical/pharmaceutical community? it's a bake shop. big pharma buys doctors in Singapore to site these clinical trials as a way to discredit legitimate medical studies so they can force open a market for their new "wonder drug".

            go eat some fiber, you're full of shit.

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              Sixty-three cases of idiopathic constipation presenting between May 2008 and May 2010 were enrolled into the study after colonoscopy excluded an organic cause of the constipation.

              first of all, you cited a clinical, not a medical study.

              second it only had 63 cases.

              this trial is bullshit.

              just because you cite from pubmed doesn't mean you know wtf you're talking about.

              thirdly the author is Kok-Sun Ho, a colorectal surgeon from Singapore. you know what Singapore is well known for in the medical/pharmaceutical community? it's a bake shop. big pharma buys doctors in Singapore to site these clinical trials as a way to discredit legitimate medical studies so they can force open a market for their new "wonder drug".

              go eat some fiber, you're full of shit.

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              jet@hackertalks.com
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              this trial is bullshit.

              Please provide the randomized trail showing the benefit of fibre with hard end points, where they also included a zero fibre arm

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                jet@hackertalks.com
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                If you read the guidelines this paper is referencing : https://www.nationalacademies.org/read/10490/chapter/9 You will see that fibre is not a essential nutrient, rather it ameliorates the effects of poor food/nutrition. I highly recommend reading the guideline directly, it is fascinating, especially the physiological effects section

                The guideline is based heavily on epidemiology, in fact the only RCT on fibre consumption I'm aware of shows fibre is a causal factor in constipation : https://doi.org/10.3748/wjg.v18.i33.4593

                If your eating whole foods, adding fibre isn't going to do much for you because your food is nutritious. If your eating food that is bad for you, fibre is going to help because it reduces the amount of bad food you absorb... but my take away from this would be to avoid eating the bad food entirely

                The one compelling benefit i've seen argued is that fibre is broken down into SCAs in intestines which is good for health, but this can also be achieved by eating low carb, intermittent fasting, etc.

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                  You don't need any fiber in the human diet. It was a marketing thing that everyone bought into for some reason and now it's dogma.

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                  jet@hackertalks.com
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                  I'm not sure it's marketing in the commercial sense, but it is yet another example of a emergent trend surfaced by poorly controlled epidemiology

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                    this trial is bullshit.

                    Please provide the randomized trail showing the benefit of fibre with hard end points, where they also included a zero fibre arm

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                    greenknight23@lemmy.world
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                    I don't have to, I'm not the one that's attempting to circumvent decades of medical advice based on a flimsy trial that only targeted 63 people.

                    in a real study, there would be thousands of subjects in order to get any real results.

                    if there was any evidence that increasing fiber intake does not result in loosening stool, it would be a widely distributed paper with multiple peer reviews.

                    actually a study found that in a random blind test of 1000+ people 66% of the subjects had constipation symptoms lessen while 44% of the placebo group also saw symptoms reduced. this means fiber had an increased chance of relieving constipation.

                    so yeah, a fiber rich diet can improve your constipation but it's different on a case-by-case basis.

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                      I don't have to, I'm not the one that's attempting to circumvent decades of medical advice based on a flimsy trial that only targeted 63 people.

                      in a real study, there would be thousands of subjects in order to get any real results.

                      if there was any evidence that increasing fiber intake does not result in loosening stool, it would be a widely distributed paper with multiple peer reviews.

                      actually a study found that in a random blind test of 1000+ people 66% of the subjects had constipation symptoms lessen while 44% of the placebo group also saw symptoms reduced. this means fiber had an increased chance of relieving constipation.

                      so yeah, a fiber rich diet can improve your constipation but it's different on a case-by-case basis.

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                      jet@hackertalks.com
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                      What is the decades of advice based on?

                      actually a study found that in a random blind test of 1000+ people 66% of the subjects had constipation symptoms lessen while 44% of the placebo group also saw symptoms reduced. this means fiber had an increased chance of relieving constipation.

                      Can you please give me the name of this study? Id like to actually read it

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