@beaware.social my view was a bit different for both. I was watching even saw thugnonomics cena live. But I drifted away and missed most of his and romans careers for many years. Now I've gone back and seen many of their big matches...but without the crammed down your throat sense to it. That said Early Roman felt bland, lots of potential sometimes entertaining but did not feel there yet even in main events. Cena had good matches but vs others not sure why he "had to win"

@ppb1701 @beaware.social Cena's ridiculous meaningless wins felt the same to me as Roman winning all those matches and championships during his bland era. A "shove down the throat" feeling that most people didn't want. Also, a big part of Roman's badness came in the HORRENDOUS promos.

John Cena told Roman "It's called a promo kid, if you wanna be the big dog, you're gonna have to learn how to do it sooner or later!" Live on smackdown when Roman forgot his lines.