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Can I ask what your goal is?

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    partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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    Can I ask what your goal is? You're referencing the Onion which is a satire site. The Onion's goal is to entertain, and provide some social commentary with the protection of satire. Also with the Onion, it is well known it is satire. Readers are "in on the joke". Your description from the sidebar doesn't look like that.

    The way I read your sidebar message is that all (most?) news in the world is fake and that no news from any source should be trusted at all. It also reads like you're taking joy it deceiving the readers. The sidebar language suggests no one should trust anything. Am I taking your wrong message or is that what you intended?

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      Can I ask what your goal is? You're referencing the Onion which is a satire site. The Onion's goal is to entertain, and provide some social commentary with the protection of satire. Also with the Onion, it is well known it is satire. Readers are "in on the joke". Your description from the sidebar doesn't look like that.

      The way I read your sidebar message is that all (most?) news in the world is fake and that no news from any source should be trusted at all. It also reads like you're taking joy it deceiving the readers. The sidebar language suggests no one should trust anything. Am I taking your wrong message or is that what you intended?

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      ralphnader2028@reddthat.com
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      So a couple of things. Just so ya know, when The Onion started in the late 1980's and early 1990's, it did not loudly announce itself as satire the way people view it now. Early print issues were laid out exactly like a local newspaper. Headlines were totaly deadpan. The tone was straight. It was put out on the street as if real. The prank was that it looked and read like real news.

      People totally mistook it for real news before it was nationally known. Feel free to look up history of it. I know, cuz I was around that area when it first started getting legs. Confusion was part of the early appeal, and the point. The Onion became, and is now, “safe” and obviously satire only after years of people knowing the prank, not because it was born that way.

      You're also wrongly assuming satire must: Be obviously humorous. Protect the reader from confusion. And/or reassure people that real news is still trustworthy

      Satire doesn’t have to do that tho. Historically, a lot of satire has existed to destabilize certainty, def not to make people feel more comfortble. We're Twilight Zone/Black Mirror,/J.G. Ballard/early cyberpunk (before the game) journalism, not current era Onion listicle satire.

      And let's not overlook the fact that tomorrow or the day after, or soon, many of my articles will no longer be fiction.

      tl;dr: Explaining the joke, ruins the joke. I'm counting on fact that most people don't really read most replies either, but I won't be explaining myself ever again. 🙂

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        So a couple of things. Just so ya know, when The Onion started in the late 1980's and early 1990's, it did not loudly announce itself as satire the way people view it now. Early print issues were laid out exactly like a local newspaper. Headlines were totaly deadpan. The tone was straight. It was put out on the street as if real. The prank was that it looked and read like real news.

        People totally mistook it for real news before it was nationally known. Feel free to look up history of it. I know, cuz I was around that area when it first started getting legs. Confusion was part of the early appeal, and the point. The Onion became, and is now, “safe” and obviously satire only after years of people knowing the prank, not because it was born that way.

        You're also wrongly assuming satire must: Be obviously humorous. Protect the reader from confusion. And/or reassure people that real news is still trustworthy

        Satire doesn’t have to do that tho. Historically, a lot of satire has existed to destabilize certainty, def not to make people feel more comfortble. We're Twilight Zone/Black Mirror,/J.G. Ballard/early cyberpunk (before the game) journalism, not current era Onion listicle satire.

        And let's not overlook the fact that tomorrow or the day after, or soon, many of my articles will no longer be fiction.

        tl;dr: Explaining the joke, ruins the joke. I'm counting on fact that most people don't really read most replies either, but I won't be explaining myself ever again. 🙂

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        partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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        So a couple of things. Just so ya know, when The Onion started in the late 1980’s and early 1990’s, it did not loudly announce itself as satire the way people view it now. Early print issues were laid out exactly like a local newspaper.

        Yep, I know. If you were riding the DC Metro in those days you'd find the paper edition in paper dispensers right next to the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal (pre-Murdoch ownership). I think I may have a couple of the old ones in a box somewhere.

        You’re also wrongly assuming satire must: Be obviously humorous.

        I never assumed satire had to be humorous. I said the Onion was satire, and it was humorous.

        We’re Twilight Zone/Black Mirror,/J.G. Ballard/early cyberpunk (before the game) journalism, not current era Onion listicle satire.

        You're making my point for me. All of those sources were known to the consumers as fiction and allowed to consumer to compare reality against that speculative future. You're not doing that. You are well aware that most folks that read what you're writing assume its true. You can't have it both ways.

        And let’s not overlook the fact that tomorrow or the day after, or soon, many of my articles will no longer be fiction.

        I think you've moved beyond satire and are headed toward disinformation now.

        tl;dr: Explaining the joke, ruins the joke.

        Well hang on, you just said your intent wasn't humor. Wouldn't that make your actions humor at the expense of people reading what you're making up?

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