No, because the writing was weird and foreign.

You were supposed to he disgusted at the other stuff.

"Weird and Foreign" has entered the chat.

Well that's why you're supposed to be afraid of it.

There are a lot of bad answers or misunderstandings about credit scores in this thread.

FICO Credit scores measure exactly one thing: How good are you at regularly paying on debt over time? Thats it.

There are some other companies that take your FICO score and make their own determinations from it, but those are not the intended purpose of a FICO score.

ANON is also saying "x raises" or "y lowers" but he's missing one other part. Some of those raises and lowers are temporary meaning for a couple of months only, and those don't have years long impacts.

Most of the big moving pieces are publicly published right on the FICO website too, so you don't have to guess:

source

So lets look at ANONs complaints through the lens of what FICO scores address:

Using credit lowers your score

I'm assuming ANON means "using a portion of an already established credit line." We can see in the chart that this would increase the red segment of the FICO score. FICO assumes the closer you get to your maximum credit availability, the more you're being squeezed financially reducing your ability to pay on all of your debts. From a lender's perspective, if your debts are piling up, then lending you more is a higher risk.

Not using credit lowers your score

If ANON means "using zero credit" then, yes, ANON wouldn't have a recent history of paying on debt then the Payment History section of the graph would be thin or empty. From a lender's perspective, if you haven't paid on any debt in the last 6 months, how do they know you still have the ability to do so if you want credit right now?

Paying back late lowers your score

Absolutely! Its violating the very purpose FICO is made to measure: How good are you at regularly paying on debt over time?

Paying back early lowers your score

This one is a yes or no depending on what scenario ANON is talking about. Paying back a credit card early DOES NOT lower your score. In fact, it would likely RAISE your score. Paying back an installment loan, lets say for a car, early can lower your score, but not because its early, but because the load will disappear. Without a loan to pay on, you will have less recent history of paying on an installment loan for a car, and 6 months from now a lender may not know if you still have the ability to do so, so you score falls.

Even checking your score lowers your score.

ANON checking ANONs score DOES NOT lower your score. ANON allowing a lender to do a hard pull check does lower the score, but only a small amount 10-20 points and this is temporary about a month or two. Further, do several hard pulls at once, they don't each lower by 10 or 20 points. If you do the pulls close together (within a week or two) it will be only the temporary lowering for a month or two. From a lender's perspective if you're reaching out for new lines of credit, it means you're indicating you're about to take on more debt which could affect your ability to pay on further new debts.

Taking out loans lowers your score

Temporarily, yes, but over time this can grow your score if its in a different loan type or length.

Paying back loans lowers your score

Yes and no, circumstances depending. If you pay back that one loan type lets say a car loan, and you have have no other installment loans, then you will have no more recent history of paying on any installment loans. However, if you have a mortgage which is another type of installment loan, you'll take no hit for paying back the car loan as you will continue to have a recent payment history of paying on installment loans. You could take a hit because a nearly paid off loan looks good for the "Amounts owed" component of the score, but you could use a trick like getting a credit card of the same credit line (and not charge anything on it) to avoid that if you really need to.

Not taking out loans lowers your score

Not quite true. Having no recent payment history means a lower score, but it you already have some type of loan or credit you pay on every month, not taking out more loans will not hurt your score.

One final thought I really really want to dispel: YOUR FICO SCORE IS NOT INCREASED BY PAYING INTEREST ON CREDIT CARD DEBT!

Try everything you can to avoid carrying credit card debt into next month. Interest rates are crazy high and it does nothing to help you. If you put a purchase on a credit card, make sure to pay the full statement balance every month. If you do this, you'll pay zero interest on any credit card purchases.

Great write-up, thanks!

Having said that, it's hard not to feel that these rules have been semi purposefully left vague so that people take the wrong actions that will cost them extra money

To add on-top of that, I feel like this system, and most systems around this, are all setup to work great for the rich and the "providers" and just plain less good for us. It's almost like a casino in that the house always wins

I think that's misleading - taking out loans and paying them back is the most well known way of raising a credit score. I don't see why the opposite would be true.

Supposedly some people actually do this, when they can afford to, because they see the boost to their credit score as worth the actual lost cash in interest. From what I gather, credit score helps you to attain more favourable mortgages or other loans, which helps when you make big purchases like cars or if you run a small business.

Example from my own life:

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The first time i took out a student loan [UK] I left the course after about 2 weeks and repaid it all back because Student Finance England - a private entity that supposedly operates on behalf of the government - was hassling me to return the money straight away. Ironically, i didn't need to do that, and there wasn't much benefit to doing so. But my credit score is abnormally high compared to other peoples' and i think that's why.
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One arguably unjust part about credit scores is that the actions of people related to you, or simply sharing the same surname as you, can affect it! E.G i have heard that a friend-of-a-friend's dad took out too many loans and now their credit score suffers.

Seems like a medieval system to me. People joke that it's the capitalist approach to a "social credit score," and I have to agree.

Anyway if it's true that the actions of other people can affect your credit score, it seems like the number is nothing more than a "how much do bankers like you" score. I presume a bankers immediate family will have higher than normal credit scores. What OP/anon perceives as the score going down for contradictory reasons are actually just his score going haywire under a combination of factors outside of his control.

There was some conservative user a while ago on lemmy that thought I was a "Chinese Bot"/"Scammer" because of the "Asian Writing" in the username, I'm an American citizen lmfao

Fucking sinophobia lol

There was some conservative user a while ago on lemmy that thought I was a “Chinese Bot”/“Scammer”

Clearly they were an idiot too because if they knew anything about China, they should have seen the Taiwanese flag and known were you not from or supportive of the PRC. Seriously, people need to pick up a history book now and then. There's a good chunk of American history mixed in there too with how Taiwan came to be (or stay being a nation).

Oh I mean I am from PRC, that's more like an opposition thing I do because I don't like the 5 star red flag since its associated with ccp, so I use this flag in the ROC context.

是吗? I wouldn't have guessed that. I didn't think ROC flag was tolerated well 在 大陆. I still have a lot to learn about the culture.

In mainland China, probably not tolerated outside of like the context of museums. Idk about the laws, but at the minimum, cops will probably visit you and "have a chat"

I'm Chinese-Amercian, I was born in Guangzhou, but I'm no longer PRC National anymore so I don't give a shit what mainland nationalists think.

I think ROC flag is fine overseas...

I mean look at this lol