Erik Uden 🍑 (@ErikUden@mastodon.de)

Attached: 4 images Once back up, the second conference ensued. However, with less energy due to already being 6 hours underground, both sides began throwing some harsh realities at one another, without trying to uphold some nice facade. The good food they made in the hopes of us being more friendly towards them helped, though. If you take a look at that second image, the federal company for radioactive waste disposal is showing the two different simulations regarding the longevity of their facility. In the case of sweet water entering the site, it could only last 300,000 years, with worst case conditions applied (nuclear waste containers vanishing into thin air, water not being obstructed, etc.), but with salt water it may take over a million years to reach and bring the radioactive material above ground. Of course, all of those numbers are without any human element. At a specific point in time someone raised the question of a foreign army occupying Konrad in the case of war, the owners brushed it off as something they can't plan for. While that's true, given the Russian army once occupied a nuclear power plant, it's not unrealistic to also strategically take control of such a facility, especially since for forty years half of Germany's nuclear waste will be carried here. Additionally, the question of the accuracy of the simulation of their system was asked by a representative of the AG Konrad, an activist group that's been protesting against their town being turned into a nuclear waste storage facility for over 40 years. That's another question Victor Perli raised: the surrounding water streams do not yet have the required approval (wasserrechtliche Zulassung der Gebinde). A representative responded that, despite trying to get such an approval in the past, she doesn't believe the nuclear facility needs to have it. > “We don't need a permit for under water regulation. We do something completely different from the agricultural facilities these laws were designed for. We cannot take on a product responsibility for 100 years or more. Usually, these permits are only for about 10 years. Accountability for a time period we are planning with isn't something the German law accounts for.” We concede. However, the activists in the room are currently still suing due to their decision to disregard the law when it comes to water regulation. The other activist raises the point that 3D seismic scans were never made before putting all trust into this facility. The representative of the facility responds that their method of drilling holes and taking samples in addition to 2D seismic was far more accurate than 3D seismic could be. She calls the process “raw material exploration”. The conversation gets heated and technical. They concede, and admit mistakes in the past. The representative of Konrad says that by modern standards, this facility would never be chosen for long term nuclear waste storage. They are keeping the security up to the newest standards, despite legally not being required to. A conversation about the exact amount of nuclear waste that needs to be stored is started. Apparently, old GDR nuclear reactors still haven't been fully cleaned yet, so the amount of waste they may produce are incredibly shaky and rough estimates. Only one of all of Germany's nuclear reactors have actually been dismantled. The others are in that process. [The problem of the Asse II](https://muenchen.social/@hundhamm/115533449656425831), a failed long term nuclear waste storage facility that leaked radioactive material to the outside, which is close by and was also managed by the same organization as Konrad, was raised. The question whether all nuclear waste there can be “scraped off” is raised by the Konrad representatives, they don't have high hopes for that. A Microsoft teams notification pops up on the Laptop of the person with the presentation open, I could not read the message, but it was sent into a group with the name “Handling of the lawsuit”, which I found hilarious.