CEO of Palantir Says AI Means You’ll Have to Work With Your Hands Like a Peasant
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Why do we tolerate these people?
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These morons really think AI is going to allow them to replace the technical folks. The same technical folks they severely loathe because they're the ones with the skills to build the bullshit they dream up, and as such demand a higher salary. They're so fucking greedy that they are just DYING to cut these people out in order to make more profits. They have such inflated egos and so little understanding of the actual technology they really think they're just going to be able to use AI to replace technical minds going forward. We're on the precipice of a very funny "find out" moment for some of these morons.
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Why do we tolerate these people?
I know you don't necessarily mean it this way, but there's a very interesting (and infuriating) history to why the US reveres the wealthy. The short version is that the ultra wealthy were pissed about the New Deal, so they used fundamentalist Christianity to tie the idea of wealth to holy favor from Yahweh.
We will have to overcome that idea if we hope to gain real class consciousness.
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These morons really think AI is going to allow them to replace the technical folks. The same technical folks they severely loathe because they're the ones with the skills to build the bullshit they dream up, and as such demand a higher salary. They're so fucking greedy that they are just DYING to cut these people out in order to make more profits. They have such inflated egos and so little understanding of the actual technology they really think they're just going to be able to use AI to replace technical minds going forward. We're on the precipice of a very funny "find out" moment for some of these morons.
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The rich fully intend to replace workers with slaves one way or another.
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AI robots can be utter shit and they will still be leaps and bounds more efficient than the task specific automation that has been replacing human workers for decades.
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As long as the rich maintain their monopolies quality of service can drop indefinitely. Doesn't matter if AI robots suck ass when no human employed company can compete and every other option is just as ass.
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The rich fully intend to replace workers with slaves one way or another.
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AI robots can be utter shit and they will still be leaps and bounds more efficient than the task specific automation that has been replacing human workers for decades.
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As long as the rich maintain their monopolies quality of service can drop indefinitely. Doesn't matter if AI robots suck ass when no human employed company can compete and every other option is just as ass.
AI robots can be utter shit and they will still be leaps and bounds more efficient than the task specific automation that has been replacing human workers for decades.
I disagree with this, and we already have live examples today that are good analogs. Youtube is being flooded with AI generated slop. AI generated scripts, read by AI generated voices, over top of AI generated images.
I never seek these out, and actively avoid them when I can tell what they are before clicking on them. In that first 2 seconds of AI generated voice, I can tell this is slop and stop watching it seeking a human generated video instead.
As long as the rich maintain their monopolies quality of service can drop indefinitely. Doesn’t matter if AI robots suck ass when no human employed company can compete and every other option is just as ass.
It can't. At some point the quality of the product drops to a level it is no longer a product. Lets say we're in your theoretical dystopian future where the monopoly exists for cookies. There is no other place to buy cookies except from the monopoly. You posit that quality can drop indefinitely as there is zero alternative sources for cookies. So lets say the monopoly cookie brand was deciding to substitute some of the wheat flower with sawdust as a cost saving measure with the consequence being yet lower quality cookies. At a tiny fraction of sawdust you may notice it, but the sawdust cookie may still be better than no cookie. The monopoly continues to increase the sawdust content until the cookie contains zero wheat flour and is entirely substituted with sawdust. I believe even you would concede you would no longer buy the sawdust cookies at this point. Further, you would have stopped buying them earlier when the sawdust content became so high that the cookie was inedible to you even though it contained some wheat flour at that point.
This same thing will apply to Youtube. If the only thing left to watch on youtube is AI slop because no human creators exist, then there is no point in watching youtube anymore.
The point here, is that even with a monopoly on a product, as soon as the quality drops below a certain threshold (and this point is different for every consumer), the product stops being a product to them.
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AI robots can be utter shit and they will still be leaps and bounds more efficient than the task specific automation that has been replacing human workers for decades.
I disagree with this, and we already have live examples today that are good analogs. Youtube is being flooded with AI generated slop. AI generated scripts, read by AI generated voices, over top of AI generated images.
I never seek these out, and actively avoid them when I can tell what they are before clicking on them. In that first 2 seconds of AI generated voice, I can tell this is slop and stop watching it seeking a human generated video instead.
As long as the rich maintain their monopolies quality of service can drop indefinitely. Doesn’t matter if AI robots suck ass when no human employed company can compete and every other option is just as ass.
It can't. At some point the quality of the product drops to a level it is no longer a product. Lets say we're in your theoretical dystopian future where the monopoly exists for cookies. There is no other place to buy cookies except from the monopoly. You posit that quality can drop indefinitely as there is zero alternative sources for cookies. So lets say the monopoly cookie brand was deciding to substitute some of the wheat flower with sawdust as a cost saving measure with the consequence being yet lower quality cookies. At a tiny fraction of sawdust you may notice it, but the sawdust cookie may still be better than no cookie. The monopoly continues to increase the sawdust content until the cookie contains zero wheat flour and is entirely substituted with sawdust. I believe even you would concede you would no longer buy the sawdust cookies at this point. Further, you would have stopped buying them earlier when the sawdust content became so high that the cookie was inedible to you even though it contained some wheat flour at that point.
This same thing will apply to Youtube. If the only thing left to watch on youtube is AI slop because no human creators exist, then there is no point in watching youtube anymore.
The point here, is that even with a monopoly on a product, as soon as the quality drops below a certain threshold (and this point is different for every consumer), the product stops being a product to them.
And yet youtube is still the dominant video host.
You're missing the point entirely. If instead of luxuries you look through the lens of necessities perhaps you'll see.
Like replace cookies with bread and try tell me people will choose to starve first. Like obviously not.
You're just too priveledged to realize what I'm describing has been going on in developing countries for decades.
Ask a ford employee 30 years ago about robot automation. Like this is not a new thing in the 2020s. The rich have a playbook for this.
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I know you don't necessarily mean it this way, but there's a very interesting (and infuriating) history to why the US reveres the wealthy. The short version is that the ultra wealthy were pissed about the New Deal, so they used fundamentalist Christianity to tie the idea of wealth to holy favor from Yahweh.
We will have to overcome that idea if we hope to gain real class consciousness.
The short version is that the ultra wealthy were pissed about the New Deal, so they used fundamentalist Christianity to tie the idea of wealth to holy favor from Yahweh.
That concept existed WAY before the United State did.
The old idea was kings were rich because they were ordained to be kings by god. Questioning why the king was rich was questioning the word of god and punishable by death.
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The short version is that the ultra wealthy were pissed about the New Deal, so they used fundamentalist Christianity to tie the idea of wealth to holy favor from Yahweh.
That concept existed WAY before the United State did.
The old idea was kings were rich because they were ordained to be kings by god. Questioning why the king was rich was questioning the word of god and punishable by death.
Sure, but why it exists today in the US is a direct result of the robber barons' influence in the early 1900s. The core idea isn't new, but this instance is.
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And yet youtube is still the dominant video host.
You're missing the point entirely. If instead of luxuries you look through the lens of necessities perhaps you'll see.
Like replace cookies with bread and try tell me people will choose to starve first. Like obviously not.
You're just too priveledged to realize what I'm describing has been going on in developing countries for decades.
Ask a ford employee 30 years ago about robot automation. Like this is not a new thing in the 2020s. The rich have a playbook for this.
And yet youtube is still the dominant video host.
Youtube hasn't descended to being unusable yet.
You’re missing the point entirely. If instead of luxuries you look through the lens of necessities perhaps you’ll see. Like replace cookies with bread and try tell me people will choose to starve first. Like obviously not.
I think you're missing the point. If we substitute bread in the example I gave and they're putting sawdust in it, then yes people will not buy bread made with zero flour, but instead made with sawdust. Yes, people will stop buying bread in that situation because they would die anyway because the bread doesn't produce nutritional value.
Ask a ford employee 30 years ago about robot automation. Like this is not a new thing in the 2020s. The rich have a playbook for this.
Now you're speaking against your original point. Robot automation has not lowered the quality of a Ford vehicle. If anything it has increased it. A robot can have assembly tolerances much tighter than a human. Where is the lowering of quality from a robot making the vehicle that your original thesis demands?
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Sure, but why it exists today in the US is a direct result of the robber barons' influence in the early 1900s. The core idea isn't new, but this instance is.
Early colonized America used slave labor by racist christians. Those racist christians said they were supposed to be rich because god made them that way. That predates the robber barons of the early 1900s.
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And yet youtube is still the dominant video host.
Youtube hasn't descended to being unusable yet.
You’re missing the point entirely. If instead of luxuries you look through the lens of necessities perhaps you’ll see. Like replace cookies with bread and try tell me people will choose to starve first. Like obviously not.
I think you're missing the point. If we substitute bread in the example I gave and they're putting sawdust in it, then yes people will not buy bread made with zero flour, but instead made with sawdust. Yes, people will stop buying bread in that situation because they would die anyway because the bread doesn't produce nutritional value.
Ask a ford employee 30 years ago about robot automation. Like this is not a new thing in the 2020s. The rich have a playbook for this.
Now you're speaking against your original point. Robot automation has not lowered the quality of a Ford vehicle. If anything it has increased it. A robot can have assembly tolerances much tighter than a human. Where is the lowering of quality from a robot making the vehicle that your original thesis demands?
Robot automation has not lowered the quality of a Ford vehicle
I never said that and the quality of a ford truck is irrelevant to the assembly worker who lost their job due to automation.
You need to back up because you have gone down a tangent alone.
The notion that people won't eat sawdust bread is demonstrably false with many historical examples proving you wrong. Your stipulation about zero flour is a moving goalpost and a strawman fyi
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Early colonized America used slave labor by racist christians. Those racist christians said they were supposed to be rich because god made them that way. That predates the robber barons of the early 1900s.
Great, congrats. You are today's biggest pedant. Here's your prize.
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Robot automation has not lowered the quality of a Ford vehicle
I never said that and the quality of a ford truck is irrelevant to the assembly worker who lost their job due to automation.
You need to back up because you have gone down a tangent alone.
The notion that people won't eat sawdust bread is demonstrably false with many historical examples proving you wrong. Your stipulation about zero flour is a moving goalpost and a strawman fyi
Robot automation has not lowered the quality of a Ford vehicle
I never said that and the quality of a ford truck is irrelevant to the assembly worker who lost their job due to automation.
You need to back up because you have gone down a tangent alone.
I agree we're down a tangent, but I'm following the logic of your responses. This is a response to your original thesis: "AI robots can be utter shit". Then you introduced the ford example for automation, which isn't shit for assembly.
Which point to you want to back up to that would change our conversation path?
The notion that people won’t eat sawdust bread is demonstrably false with many historical examples proving you wrong.
I'm glad you saw those. I specifically chose sawdust in my example because of those events in history. Those support what I'm talking about. When the adulteration of the food became bad enough, people stopped eating it.
Your stipulation about zero flour is a moving goalpost and a strawman fyi
My "zero flour" comment is a response to your original thesis where you said: "quality of service can drop indefinitely."
It can't be indefinitely. There's a point where people will stop consuming it when it gets bad enough.
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Great, congrats. You are today's biggest pedant. Here's your prize.
I'm not looking for pedantry. I'm looking for clarity. You eluded to a specific action by robber barons in the 1900s. I'm looking for what that is because I'm seeing that idea predate them.
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Robot automation has not lowered the quality of a Ford vehicle
I never said that and the quality of a ford truck is irrelevant to the assembly worker who lost their job due to automation.
You need to back up because you have gone down a tangent alone.
I agree we're down a tangent, but I'm following the logic of your responses. This is a response to your original thesis: "AI robots can be utter shit". Then you introduced the ford example for automation, which isn't shit for assembly.
Which point to you want to back up to that would change our conversation path?
The notion that people won’t eat sawdust bread is demonstrably false with many historical examples proving you wrong.
I'm glad you saw those. I specifically chose sawdust in my example because of those events in history. Those support what I'm talking about. When the adulteration of the food became bad enough, people stopped eating it.
Your stipulation about zero flour is a moving goalpost and a strawman fyi
My "zero flour" comment is a response to your original thesis where you said: "quality of service can drop indefinitely."
It can't be indefinitely. There's a point where people will stop consuming it when it gets bad enough.
you said: "quality of service can drop indefinitely."
What I actually said was...
As long as the rich maintain their monopolies quality of service can drop indefinitely. Doesn't matter if AI robots suck ass when no human employed company can compete and every other option is just as ass.
So yes you have completely missed my point and are arguing with yourself, not me.
It can't be indefinitely. There's a point where people will stop consuming it when it gets bad enough.
Yes but I'm not talking about that. You need to go back and reread what I actually said and stop putting words in my mouth and trying to have a discussion with me that doesn't exist.
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you said: "quality of service can drop indefinitely."
What I actually said was...
As long as the rich maintain their monopolies quality of service can drop indefinitely. Doesn't matter if AI robots suck ass when no human employed company can compete and every other option is just as ass.
So yes you have completely missed my point and are arguing with yourself, not me.
It can't be indefinitely. There's a point where people will stop consuming it when it gets bad enough.
Yes but I'm not talking about that. You need to go back and reread what I actually said and stop putting words in my mouth and trying to have a discussion with me that doesn't exist.
I have never intentionally put words in your mouth. The best I can figure after rereading our entire thread is that you're jumping around on different points but giving no clues in the conversation you're doing that. As in, I'm responding to one of your points, but you're providing a rebuttal for a completely different point of your own.
In this conversation I've been trying to restate what I'm seeing as your interpretation in an attempt to confirm we're communicating, but then I get another response indicating we're not communicating.
There's two possibilities I see as to whats happening here:
- your thesis and points are not logically consistent
OR
- we are simply not able to communicate effectively with one another today
For the purposes of civility, I'm not going to make a judgment one which one these it is. I'll let you give your downvote button a rest and simply bow out talking more with you today. Maybe in the future we'll have better luck with one another.
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I'm not looking for pedantry. I'm looking for clarity. You eluded to a specific action by robber barons in the 1900s. I'm looking for what that is because I'm seeing that idea predate them.
It does predate them. They didn't invent it, and I never said they did. I said their actions are the reason the US reveres wealth today, as in it's the most contemporary set of events that have reinvigorated that well-practiced strategy.
If you're looking for specific historical knowledge, as in citations, here you go:
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It does predate them. They didn't invent it, and I never said they did. I said their actions are the reason the US reveres wealth today, as in it's the most contemporary set of events that have reinvigorated that well-practiced strategy.
If you're looking for specific historical knowledge, as in citations, here you go:
If you’re looking for specific historical knowledge, as in citations, here you go:
These are exactly the type of thing I was looking for. Thank you for sharing them.
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Early colonized America used slave labor by racist christians. Those racist christians said they were supposed to be rich because god made them that way. That predates the robber barons of the early 1900s.
after decimating the indigenous americans that have been here more than 10k years.
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