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    Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica | TechCrunch

    The child, whose age is not public, sustained minor injuries according to Waymo. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is investigating.

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    partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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    Read beyond the headline:

    Waymo said its robotaxi struck the child at six miles per hour, after braking “hard” from around 17 miles per hour. The young pedestrian “suddenly entered the roadway from behind a tall SUV, moving directly into our vehicle’s path,” the company said in its blog post. Waymo said its vehicle “immediately detected the individual as soon as they began to emerge from behind the stopped vehicle.”

    I'm guessing the automated car was able to react far faster than a human driver would have and the child would have sustained far greater injuries with a human behind the wheel. I'll wait for the full investigation though.

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      Read beyond the headline:

      Waymo said its robotaxi struck the child at six miles per hour, after braking “hard” from around 17 miles per hour. The young pedestrian “suddenly entered the roadway from behind a tall SUV, moving directly into our vehicle’s path,” the company said in its blog post. Waymo said its vehicle “immediately detected the individual as soon as they began to emerge from behind the stopped vehicle.”

      I'm guessing the automated car was able to react far faster than a human driver would have and the child would have sustained far greater injuries with a human behind the wheel. I'll wait for the full investigation though.

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      bluegrass_addict@lemmy.ca
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      even if they killed the kid, no charges would be filed against them because.. company.

      I lay 100% blame on the CEO being personally responsible for any and all damages/injuries that occur from their non-tested slop

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        even if they killed the kid, no charges would be filed against them because.. company.

        I lay 100% blame on the CEO being personally responsible for any and all damages/injuries that occur from their non-tested slop

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        partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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        I lay 100% blame on the CEO being personally responsible for any and all damages/injuries that occur from their non-tested slop

        The blame for the kid running out in the street is the CEO's fault?

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          I lay 100% blame on the CEO being personally responsible for any and all damages/injuries that occur from their non-tested slop

          The blame for the kid running out in the street is the CEO's fault?

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          bluegrass_addict@lemmy.ca
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          nah.. these Milti billion dollar companies have enough free passes to do whatever. it's time to treat them how they treat us

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            Read beyond the headline:

            Waymo said its robotaxi struck the child at six miles per hour, after braking “hard” from around 17 miles per hour. The young pedestrian “suddenly entered the roadway from behind a tall SUV, moving directly into our vehicle’s path,” the company said in its blog post. Waymo said its vehicle “immediately detected the individual as soon as they began to emerge from behind the stopped vehicle.”

            I'm guessing the automated car was able to react far faster than a human driver would have and the child would have sustained far greater injuries with a human behind the wheel. I'll wait for the full investigation though.

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            snowdriftissue@lemmy.world
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            Automated car makers are always going to emphasize the stopping distance because it's a strong point for them. This was true even in that cruise incident where the car stopped quickly to avoid hitting that woman as hard, but then picked up speed again since it couldn't see her, dragging her underneath and killing her.

            I guess what I would want to know in this case is would a vigilent human driver have spotted the kid faster because a human actually knows how to read body language and spot unpredictable children?

            Either way though fuck cars.

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              I lay 100% blame on the CEO being personally responsible for any and all damages/injuries that occur from their non-tested slop

              The blame for the kid running out in the street is the CEO's fault?

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              snowdriftissue@lemmy.world
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              The blame for the kid running out in the street is the CEO's fault?

              Streets are for people. Not cars. Don't blame the kid for doing kid stuff.

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                The blame for the kid running out in the street is the CEO's fault?

                Streets are for people. Not cars. Don't blame the kid for doing kid stuff.

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                partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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                Streets are for people. Not cars.

                Where are you getting that idea? Streets were used by horse/ox driven carts/carriages for thousands of years and long before cars. The only reason they're as wide as they are are for these vehicles. They were never meant for purely human pedestrians.

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                  nah.. these Milti billion dollar companies have enough free passes to do whatever. it's time to treat them how they treat us

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                  partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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                  Then if you're going to throw out logic and reason, you're going to alienate anyone that may agree with you on other very valid points you may have. Aren't you concerned about being labeled and ignored?

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                    Automated car makers are always going to emphasize the stopping distance because it's a strong point for them. This was true even in that cruise incident where the car stopped quickly to avoid hitting that woman as hard, but then picked up speed again since it couldn't see her, dragging her underneath and killing her.

                    I guess what I would want to know in this case is would a vigilent human driver have spotted the kid faster because a human actually knows how to read body language and spot unpredictable children?

                    Either way though fuck cars.

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                    partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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                    I guess what I would want to know in this case is would a vigilent human driver have spotted the kid faster because a human actually knows how to read body language and spot unpredictable children?

                    I listed the same question you did for the same reason. My guess is the computer can and did respond faster than a human.

                    Either way though fuck cars.

                    Wrong community.

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                      Then if you're going to throw out logic and reason, you're going to alienate anyone that may agree with you on other very valid points you may have. Aren't you concerned about being labeled and ignored?

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                      bluegrass_addict@lemmy.ca
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                      Im always ignored as it is

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                      • P partial_accumen@lemmy.world

                        Streets are for people. Not cars.

                        Where are you getting that idea? Streets were used by horse/ox driven carts/carriages for thousands of years and long before cars. The only reason they're as wide as they are are for these vehicles. They were never meant for purely human pedestrians.

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                        snowdriftissue@lemmy.world
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                        Streets were used by horse/ox driven carts/carriages for thousands of years and long before cars.

                        Not at anywhere near the speeds or volume that they're used by cars today. Streets used to be legitimate and safe places where kids could play or people could walk. Cars changed all of that.

                        Modern cities that are actually well designed focus on making streets destinations - places where people would actually want to exist outside of a car. Streets like this are generally better the fewer cars they have

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                          I guess what I would want to know in this case is would a vigilent human driver have spotted the kid faster because a human actually knows how to read body language and spot unpredictable children?

                          I listed the same question you did for the same reason. My guess is the computer can and did respond faster than a human.

                          Either way though fuck cars.

                          Wrong community.

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                          snowdriftissue@lemmy.world
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                          Wrong community.

                          Cars can get fucked in every community :)

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                            Wrong community.

                            Cars can get fucked in every community :)

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                            partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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                            Cars can get fucked in every community :)

                            No thank you. I don't want to have to block every community like I already block fuckcars.

                            Most folks in there want to imagine everyone in the world lives in a dense metropolis with easily accessible, 24/7/365, cheap/free, and timely public transportation. Alternatively they seem to believe people shouldn't live anywhere but that dense metropolis. While most of that criteria does certainly exist in small pockets scattered around the globe, the other 98% of where people live or need to get to farther than walking/cycling can where public transportation doesn't exist need cars.

                            I'm fine if those folks want to continue to embrace their delusion only in that Lemmy community. Its their opinion, and they are welcome to it even if I disagree. Its their clubhouse and I'm certainly not going to go in there and start a fight, but there's no reason to try to turn every other community into that same narrow mindset.

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                              Im always ignored as it is

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                              partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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                              Are you seeing the pattern as to why that is?

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                                Streets were used by horse/ox driven carts/carriages for thousands of years and long before cars.

                                Not at anywhere near the speeds or volume that they're used by cars today. Streets used to be legitimate and safe places where kids could play or people could walk. Cars changed all of that.

                                Modern cities that are actually well designed focus on making streets destinations - places where people would actually want to exist outside of a car. Streets like this are generally better the fewer cars they have

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                                partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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                                Not at anywhere near the speeds or volume that they’re used by cars today

                                You've moved the goalposts. You previously said streets aren't for cars. Now you're fine with cars, but its the volume/speed you take issue with? The article you're replying to had a car driving at 17mph before the kid ran in front of it. A horse drawn carriage can go about twice that fast at top speed.

                                Streets used to be legitimate and safe places where kids could play or people could walk.

                                You...actually think that there weren't people injured and killed by horse carts long before cars existed? Are you serious? I'm beginning to think you have no idea what you're talking about especially with regard to history.

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                                  Cars can get fucked in every community :)

                                  No thank you. I don't want to have to block every community like I already block fuckcars.

                                  Most folks in there want to imagine everyone in the world lives in a dense metropolis with easily accessible, 24/7/365, cheap/free, and timely public transportation. Alternatively they seem to believe people shouldn't live anywhere but that dense metropolis. While most of that criteria does certainly exist in small pockets scattered around the globe, the other 98% of where people live or need to get to farther than walking/cycling can where public transportation doesn't exist need cars.

                                  I'm fine if those folks want to continue to embrace their delusion only in that Lemmy community. Its their opinion, and they are welcome to it even if I disagree. Its their clubhouse and I'm certainly not going to go in there and start a fight, but there's no reason to try to turn every other community into that same narrow mindset.

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                                  snowdriftissue@lemmy.world
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                                  Most folks in there want to imagine everyone in the world lives in a dense metropolis with easily accessible, 24/7/365, cheap/free, and timely public transportation. Alternatively they seem to believe people shouldn't live anywhere but that dense metropolis. While most of that criteria does certainly exist in small pockets scattered around the globe, the other 98% of where people live or need to get to farther than walking/cycling can where public transportation doesn't exist need cars.

                                  Not the "rural places need cars" argument lmao. Tell me you haven't lived in a rural town without telling me you haven't lived in a rural town.

                                  See also https://youtu.be/REni8Oi1QJQ

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                                    Most folks in there want to imagine everyone in the world lives in a dense metropolis with easily accessible, 24/7/365, cheap/free, and timely public transportation. Alternatively they seem to believe people shouldn't live anywhere but that dense metropolis. While most of that criteria does certainly exist in small pockets scattered around the globe, the other 98% of where people live or need to get to farther than walking/cycling can where public transportation doesn't exist need cars.

                                    Not the "rural places need cars" argument lmao. Tell me you haven't lived in a rural town without telling me you haven't lived in a rural town.

                                    See also https://youtu.be/REni8Oi1QJQ

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                                    partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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                                    Not the “rural places need cars” argument lmao. Tell me you haven’t lived in a rural town without telling me you haven’t lived in a rural town.

                                    See also https://youtu.be/REni8Oi1QJQ

                                    You're wrong in a variety of ways. If I wanted to spend all day correcting fuckcars people all day I wouldn't have blocked that specific community. I don't know why are you posting in an Automotive Industry Lemmy community if you're just posting fuckcars comments.

                                    Can I trust you are interested in discussing other things besides your fuckcars ideas or do I need to block you specifically like I did that Lemmy community?

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